P: Support for Canon .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

[DNPhoto]

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

[jan b.t8934576]

Profiles are missing for newly added cameras. eg. Canon Poweshot SX70 HS. (And not available in the program.) This is on a Mac. Mojave 10.14.3
 The folder with camera specific profiles is missing from the folder in the library:

Macintosh HD > Library > Application Support > Adobe > Camera Raw > CameraProfiles > Camera > (MISSING) Canon PowerShot SX70 HS. ( The SX60 HS is there).
The Adobe specific profiles for SX70 are ok (in the Adobe Standard folder) (file exist).

So to sum up:

- Camera specific profiles are MISSING (eg. Camera Standard, Camera Landscape, Camera Neutral and so on.

- (Adobe Standard, Adobe Landscape etc are OK.)


I hope this was understandable.


Seems also other new cameras has missing folders. Eg. Canon PowerShot SX70 HS, Nikon CoolPix A1000, etc. Sony ILCE-6400 ?

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I am not quite sure what you are asking. Were they there before and they disappeared or are you requesting the profiles be created?

[jan b.t8934576]

Every other cameras have these profiles. These are missing only for the newest added cameras in version 8.1 and 8.2. You know what «Camera Standard», «Camera Landscape» profiles are ?

Seems like Adobe forgot to provide the folder with these profiles for the newest added cameras..
So I think it is a «BUG». I guess they have created them, just forgot to add them to the program update.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Or they simply aren't ready yet. 

[jan b.t8934576]

Do you know that ? There are no notes about that in the ” release notes” except for the sony e6400 that notes preliminary support.
No notes for Canon SX70 HS or Nikon A1000 or Olympus OM-D E-M1X

“Note:
Preliminary support means that the image quality and raw format support for the given camera model is not yet finalized and may be updated in a future release.”

So those cameras I mentioned should have been finalised . Or?

[jan b.t8934576]

Someone has edited my original post, head line and category. I don't like it. This was a “problem” for me, not an “Idea”. And it is not a request. It is an observation about a possible mistake in the application update 8.1 and 8.2.
The headline was originally:
“Lightroom Classic CC 8.2 (8.1) - Camera specific profiles are missing for newly added cameras (eg. Canon SX70 HS)”.

It was me informing Adobe about a possible problem with the application. Not a request. 

[jan b.t8934576]

Did you change my post ?

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Yes. This is not a bug and should not be posted as a problem. I have modified it so that it will be picked up by the necessary persons to affect the issue on your behalf.

You are requesting missing functionality not reporting broken functionality.  Camera Support, Lens Profiles, Tethering Support, and Profiles all fall in the "Idea" or feature request category. 

Camera support is a spectrum. It can contain but not be limited to:

Preliminary support
Camera raw file support
Broad-spectrum camera-specific profiles 
Tethering support
Computation imaging support

In general support rolls out with Camera raw file support first. In rare cases we offer preliminary support but call that out as it can be not-fully-tested and travel at your own risk territory.

Camera profiles often come out after initial camera support is released. It is not an unusual occurrence. Nor is it unusual for existing profiles to be refined and updated over time. Adobe provides you with a group of standard profiles for you to use so that you can process your files today.  In the not too distant past, camera-specific profiles existed for a very few cameras and were not too dialed into the in-camera shooting styles. 

Tether support follows later. 

Computational imaging support is another matter. 

I will ask the Camera Raw team to provide additional information when available.

[bhousto90]

Jan,
The reason you may not find these Camera Profiles is that the cameras themselves do not support them?

If the mode is described in the camera manual as a 'Scene' mode, these usually apply only to JPG images and Adobe has few if any 'Scene' profiles in Lightroom for JPGs.

In the online camera manuals for these 3 models only the Sony seems to possibly have the RAW profiles available?? (The Nikon does not seem to be able to take RAW photos?)

Now having said that, as you said the Canon SX70 HS does show some camera profiles for Lightroom,  but I could not find any mention of those matching modes in the online manual? Camera manufacturers do leave things out or just say 'choose shooting mode' without listing each option available.
So the same could be true for the SX70HS model?

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Don't worry about the terminology Jan, it's just so they connect with the right place internally. Adobe class problems/bugs as things that are done but aren't working as designed, and ideas/features as things that haven't been implemented yet. Support for the camera format itself is also considered a separate task from building camera emulation profiles (which are not built for all cameras).

[jan b.t8934576]

All these Cameras shoot RAW. But I don't care anymore. I'm out of here.

[jan b.t8934576]

Has Adobe stopped making these "Camera Matching" profiles for Canon cameras? Seems to be missing from all the 3 latest cameras (with RAW support): SX70 HS, EOS RP and EOS SL3 (250d). I just want an honest answer from Adobe. 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Camera matching profiles are still being made. We can't comment on the availability or timing of specific models of cameras 

[mackennas]

This thread has confused me.  In my work flow, there are "profile" selections like Adobe Color, Adobe Landscape, ..., that affect color, contrast, and suchlike.  Then there are "lens" profiles that seem to be restricted to Profile Corrections and Chromatic Aberration.  Third there are "Camera Raw Defaults" -- are these camera-dependent?  Do "profile" selections include ones for specific cameras, and if so how do I see if there are choices for a Nikon D850?

[jan b.t8934576]

Sorry, i don't believe you anymore. New release 8.4 (11.4). Two more new Canon cameras without Camera Matching profiles. G5 X II and G7 X III. Now the 5 latest Canon cameras are missing these profiles. The SX70 HS was released last year. And not even an official notice from Adobe. These profiles always used to come together with the Adobe profiles in the same release when a camera was first supported. Before I could buy a new released Canon camera and trust that Adobe released Camera Matching profiles for it very soon after. Something has changed. It is not like that anymore. No more trust. Seems I have to find something else very soon.

[jan b.t8934576]

Sorry Rikk, i don't believe you anymore. New release 8.4 (11.4). Two more new Canon cameras without Camera Matching profiles. G5 X II and G7 X III. Now the 5 latest Canon cameras are missing these profiles. The SX70 HS was released last year. And not even an official notice from Adobe. These profiles always used to come together with the Adobe profiles in the same release when a camera was first supported. Before I could buy a new released Canon camera and trust that Adobe released Camera Matching profiles for it very soon after. Something has changed. It is not like that anymore. No more trust. Seems I have to find something else very soon.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

I've searched around but can't find anything regarding the camera matching profiles for this camera body for Lightroom Classic.  The file is supported, but there are only Adobe Profiles and no "matching" profiles.

Does anyone know if they exists and where I can find them if they do?

Thanks

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Is that one of the new cameras with CR3 files? If so, see Eric Chan's (Camera Raw Engineer) comments here:  https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451

At present we cannot build the Camera Matching profiles due to recent file format changes.  We are working with Canon to resolve this, but it will take time.  Thanks for your patience.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Victoria, thank you!  I had a feeling it was something along one of those lines, but strangely I found nothing when doing a search using several different terms.  "camera matching profiles" was one of them.  Obviously I missed it in some way.  thanks again

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

You're very welcome. The those Adobe forums are a bit impossible to find anything at the moment since they switching software. I only spotted it as I track Eric's posts by email.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

After the update Lightroom classic support an EOS RP Raw file but I found that the camera matching profile for the camera is missing. Is it going to be add after the next update?

[Russell Cardwell]

Adobe says that Canon changed the file format, so they can't simply adapt the profiles from those of other Canon cameras.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451

Some people say they are having luck by converting to DNG and using Canon profiles that way. This may be helpful for individual images, but not for full shoots (nless you have too much time on your hands).

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

It is not unusual for raw support to be released in advance of camera matching profile support.  We cannot give an ETA for when or even if the profiles will be available for any particular camera. 

[TheDigitalDog]

You don’t see an option for Adobe Standard? 

[johnrellis]

"there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS"

Recent versions of Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, and the other Creative Cloud apps do run on Mac OS 10.15 (Catalina):
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/fix-macos-64-bit-compatibility-errors.html